LDAP to change from listserv to University of Michigan MCommunity group

[Luke Tracy]

Hello LDAP,


LDAP is currently a listserv list maintained within the University of
Michigan ITS Listserver Service. That service is being retired at the end
of June. See Retirement of the ITS Listserver Service
(Lyris)<http://safecomputing.umich.edu/services/lyrisretire.html>for
details.

I am planning to convert LDAP to an MCommunity group shortly. MCommunity
groups are simple mail groups and do not have all of the same features
offered by listserv lists, so there will be some loss in functionality,
such as digest mail. The LDAP list does not seem to be very active so I'm
thinking the feature difference will not have a great impact on the members.


If it does have a great impact, I'm open to moving the list to an
alternative service, but maintaining the ldap-63aXycvo3TyHXe+***@public.gmane.org email address may
not be possible in that case.

The LDAP listserv is an open list and anyone may subscribe and unsubscribe.
I am therefore planning to make the MCommunity group joinable, however,
only members with a University of Michigan login will be able to join or
resign on their own. All others will need to request to join or resign.


I will send email to LDAP once I have convert the list to a group.

Sincerely,

Luke Tracy
Technical Lead, Identity and Access Management
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan

[Luke Tracy]

The listserv has now been converted to an MCommunity Group. You can view
the details of the group here:
https://mcommunity.umich.edu/#group:ldap


Luke Tracy
Technical Lead, Identity and Access Management
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan

Post by Luke Tracy
Hello LDAP,
LDAP is currently a listserv list maintained within the University of
Michigan ITS Listserver Service. That service is being retired at the end
of June. See Retirement of the ITS Listserver Service (Lyris)<http://safecomputing.umich.edu/services/lyrisretire.html>for details.
I am planning to convert LDAP to an MCommunity group shortly. MCommunity
groups are simple mail groups and do not have all of the same features
offered by listserv lists, so there will be some loss in functionality,
such as digest mail. The LDAP list does not seem to be very active so I'm
thinking the feature difference will not have a great impact on the members.
If it does have a great impact, I'm open to moving the list to an
not be possible in that case.
The LDAP listserv is an open list and anyone may subscribe and
unsubscribe. I am therefore planning to make the MCommunity group joinable,
however, only members with a University of Michigan login will be able to
join or resign on their own. All others will need to request to join or
resign.
I will send email to LDAP once I have convert the list to a group.
Sincerely,
Luke Tracy
Technical Lead, Identity and Access Management
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan

[Bill Cole]

Post by Luke Tracy
The listserv has now been converted to an MCommunity Group.

And was echoing every legitimate message for a day. Cute. Not very
competent, but cute.

Post by Luke Tracy
You can view
https://mcommunity.umich.edu/#group:ldap

Definitely not ready for production use. It has link syntax errors that
would have been caught in the most trivial sort of testing, making it
clear that was none. Also serve out an uncacheable 7.5 MB file that
blocks rendering until it completes and consists of an atrocious mess of
GWT-based JavaScript. That's simply user-hostile for anyone not on the
UMich network, as it means a long wait (about a minute, at T-1 speed)
with nothing renderable. Whoever created that system would do more good
flipping burgers than designing webapps and writing code.

Beyond that, the site is displaying the full member list to anyone
wandering by, all in unobfuscated mailto links, perfect for harvesters.
You've apparently also opened submissions to the list to any sender,
with a convenient mailto on the public web page. The inevitable result:
the address I use for this list got its first spam in over 4 years, just
12 hours after you made the switch. It had 15 more tossed at it in 48
hours, all coming from UMich machines with ldap-errors-63aXycvo3TyHXe+***@public.gmane.org as the
Return-Path. In short: you've made this a spam list.

Post by Luke Tracy

Post by Luke Tracy
The LDAP listserv is an open list and anyone may subscribe and
unsubscribe. I am therefore planning to make the MCommunity group joinable,
however, only members with a University of Michigan login will be able to
join or resign on their own. All others will need to request to join or
resign.

I have an easier method, thanks to having signed up with an address
designed to be killed unilaterally. Never thought I'd have to use it
because of bumbling incompetence at UMich, but glad to be able to stop
some spam without counting on the people whose carelessness made it
happen.

[K***@public.gmane.org]

Hi,

please delete my email address from this group immediately !!!

It was never ment to be viewable for everyone. The spam sent to my address
within the last days increased incredibly.

Also to turn on the Google synchronization - bullshit.

Kind regards
Karsten Friedrich






From: "Bill Cole" <umldap-20081204-1dKtH89sGdd27FSWXANw/***@public.gmane.org>
To: ldap <ldap-63aXycvo3TyHXe+***@public.gmane.org>,
Cc: ltracy-63aXycvo3TyHXe+***@public.gmane.org, jmfeaton-63aXycvo3TyHXe+***@public.gmane.org
Date: 21.06.2013 06:16
Subject: [ldap] Re: LDAP to change from listserv to University of
Michigan MCommunity group

Post by Luke Tracy
The listserv has now been converted to an MCommunity Group.

And was echoing every legitimate message for a day. Cute. Not very
competent, but cute.

Post by Luke Tracy
You can view
https://mcommunity.umich.edu/#group:ldap

Definitely not ready for production use. It has link syntax errors that
would have been caught in the most trivial sort of testing, making it
clear that was none. Also serve out an uncacheable 7.5 MB file that
blocks rendering until it completes and consists of an atrocious mess of
GWT-based JavaScript. That's simply user-hostile for anyone not on the
UMich network, as it means a long wait (about a minute, at T-1 speed)
with nothing renderable. Whoever created that system would do more good
flipping burgers than designing webapps and writing code.

Beyond that, the site is displaying the full member list to anyone
wandering by, all in unobfuscated mailto links, perfect for harvesters.
You've apparently also opened submissions to the list to any sender,
with a convenient mailto on the public web page. The inevitable result:
the address I use for this list got its first spam in over 4 years, just
12 hours after you made the switch. It had 15 more tossed at it in 48
hours, all coming from UMich machines with ldap-errors-63aXycvo3TyHXe+***@public.gmane.org as the
Return-Path. In short: you've made this a spam list.

Post by Luke Tracy

Post by Luke Tracy
The LDAP listserv is an open list and anyone may subscribe and
unsubscribe. I am therefore planning to make the MCommunity group joinable,
however, only members with a University of Michigan login will be able to
join or resign on their own. All others will need to request to join or
resign.

I have an easier method, thanks to having signed up with an address
designed to be killed unilaterally. Never thought I'd have to use it
because of bumbling incompetence at UMich, but glad to be able to stop
some spam without counting on the people whose carelessness made it
happen.





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Post by Mittal, Nitin K (US - Hyderabad)
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Could folks please stop sending such requests to the list's posting
address and hence to all 540 existing list members (and public
archives, if any)?

Post by Mittal, Nitin K (US - Hyderabad)
only members with a University of Michigan login will be able to
join or resign on their own. All others will need to request to join
or resign.

At least try <ldap-request-63aXycvo3TyHXe+***@public.gmane.org> (or send requests to Luke and
Janet, off-list). Hopefully at least that works as intended.

What a mess,
-peter

[Rolf E. Sonneveld]

On 06/21/2013 05:47 AM, Bill Cole wrote:

[...]

Post by Bill Cole
Definitely not ready for production use. It has link syntax errors
that would have been caught in the most trivial sort of testing,
making it clear that was none. Also serve out an uncacheable 7.5 MB
file that blocks rendering until it completes and consists of an
atrocious mess of GWT-based JavaScript. That's simply user-hostile for
anyone not on the UMich network, as it means a long wait (about a
minute, at T-1 speed) with nothing renderable.

I can confirm long wait for the page to show up (my link speed is 40
Mbps down, 4 Mbps up).

Three more observations:

1. it seems membership now has an expiration date
2. the difference between Umich members and other members is not clear
from the Mcommunity information pages
3. LDAP Home page does lead to a 'This page has moved' page which lead
to http://www.umich.edu/~dirsvcs/ldap/index.html
<http://www.umich.edu/%7Edirsvcs/ldap/index.html> which tells that
waX500 etc. no longer exists and automatically refers to the home
page of OpenLDAP


BTW: what does that mean 'Sent to Google UMICH: Yes' mean?

/rolf

[Rolf E. Sonneveld]

Hi, Luke,

Post by Luke Tracy
Hello LDAP,
LDAP is currently a listserv list maintained within the University of
Michigan ITS Listserver Service. That service is being retired at the
end of June. See Retirement of the ITS Listserver Service (Lyris)
<http://safecomputing.umich.edu/services/lyrisretire.html>for details.
I am planning to convert LDAPto an MCommunity group shortly.
MCommunity groups are simple mail groups and do not have all of the
same features offered by listserv lists, so there will be some loss in
functionality, such as digest mail. The LDAP list does not seem to be
very active so I'm thinking the feature difference will not have a
great impact on the members.
If it does have a great impact, I'm open to moving the list to an
The LDAP listserv is an open list and anyone may subscribe and
unsubscribe. I am therefore planning to make the MCommunity group
joinable, however, only members with a University of Michigan login
will be able to join or resign on their own. All others will need to
request to join or resign.
I will send email to LDAP once I have convert the list to a group.

First of all, thanks to UMich for having hosted the list for so many years!

Second: I can only speak for myself, but the last couple of years the
number of fora I have to visit to get my information from is growing
rapidly and in all honesty, I lost track of most of them by now. The
nice thing of mailing lists is that you get your mail in your mailbox
where you can sort it out: one place to monitor, one place to
participate. Fora like LinkedIn groups, Google groups, MCommunity etc.
are as many places which I have to visit on a regular basis to see
what's goin on.

If others have the same feeling and if there's still interest in an ldap
mailing list, I'm volunteering to host it (I run a couple of other
mailing lists using mailman software).

Just my $0.02

Regards,
/rolf

[Mark H. Wood]

Post by Rolf E. Sonneveld

Post by Luke Tracy
Hello LDAP,
LDAP is currently a listserv list maintained within the University of
Michigan ITS Listserver Service. That service is being retired at the
end of June. See Retirement of the ITS Listserver Service (Lyris)
<http://safecomputing.umich.edu/services/lyrisretire.html>for details.
I am planning to convert LDAPto an MCommunity group shortly.
MCommunity groups are simple mail groups and do not have all of the
same features offered by listserv lists, so there will be some loss in
functionality, such as digest mail. The LDAP list does not seem to be
very active so I'm thinking the feature difference will not have a
great impact on the members.
If it does have a great impact, I'm open to moving the list to an
The LDAP listserv is an open list and anyone may subscribe and
unsubscribe. I am therefore planning to make the MCommunity group
joinable, however, only members with a University of Michigan login
will be able to join or resign on their own. All others will need to
request to join or resign.
I will send email to LDAP once I have convert the list to a group.

First of all, thanks to UMich for having hosted the list for so many years!

Yes!

Post by Rolf E. Sonneveld
Second: I can only speak for myself, but the last couple of years the
number of fora I have to visit to get my information from is growing
rapidly and in all honesty, I lost track of most of them by now. The
nice thing of mailing lists is that you get your mail in your mailbox
where you can sort it out: one place to monitor, one place to
participate. Fora like LinkedIn groups, Google groups, MCommunity etc.
are as many places which I have to visit on a regular basis to see
what's goin on.

You are not alone. Sometimes I toy with the idea of building a gadget
with a zillion channel-specific plugins which would harvest all of
that stuff I have to track and email it to me.

So, since I never heard of MCommunity and have no idea what it is, I
have to ask: does this mean there won't be any more emails? Will I
have to go join it, or will the LISTSERV member list be copied over?

[Luke Tracy]

The membership was copied over and mail will continue to flow for this list.

Luke

Sent from my iPhone

Post by Mark H. Wood

Post by Rolf E. Sonneveld

Post by Luke Tracy
Hello LDAP,
LDAP is currently a listserv list maintained within the University of
Michigan ITS Listserver Service. That service is being retired at the
end of June. See Retirement of the ITS Listserver Service (Lyris)
<http://safecomputing.umich.edu/services/lyrisretire.html>for details.
I am planning to convert LDAPto an MCommunity group shortly.
MCommunity groups are simple mail groups and do not have all of the
same features offered by listserv lists, so there will be some loss in
functionality, such as digest mail. The LDAP list does not seem to be
very active so I'm thinking the feature difference will not have a
great impact on the members.
If it does have a great impact, I'm open to moving the list to an
The LDAP listserv is an open list and anyone may subscribe and
unsubscribe. I am therefore planning to make the MCommunity group
joinable, however, only members with a University of Michigan login
will be able to join or resign on their own. All others will need to
request to join or resign.
I will send email to LDAP once I have convert the list to a group.

First of all, thanks to UMich for having hosted the list for so many years!

Yes!

Post by Rolf E. Sonneveld
Second: I can only speak for myself, but the last couple of years the
number of fora I have to visit to get my information from is growing
rapidly and in all honesty, I lost track of most of them by now. The
nice thing of mailing lists is that you get your mail in your mailbox
where you can sort it out: one place to monitor, one place to
participate. Fora like LinkedIn groups, Google groups, MCommunity etc.
are as many places which I have to visit on a regular basis to see
what's goin on.

You are not alone. Sometimes I toy with the idea of building a gadget
with a zillion channel-specific plugins which would harvest all of
that stuff I have to track and email it to me.
So, since I never heard of MCommunity and have no idea what it is, I
have to ask: does this mean there won't be any more emails? Will I
have to go join it, or will the LISTSERV member list be copied over?
--
Machines should not be friendly. Machines should be obedient.

[Janet Eaton]

Hello,
If you'd like details about the MCommunity Directory, there's lots of
documentation here:
http://www.itcs.umich.edu/mcommunity/documentation/
-- Janet

Janet Eaton,
Information and Technology Services, U-M

Post by Rolf E. Sonneveld

Post by Rolf E. Sonneveld

Post by Luke Tracy
Hello LDAP,
LDAP is currently a listserv list maintained within the University of
Michigan ITS Listserver Service. That service is being retired at the
end of June. See Retirement of the ITS Listserver Service (Lyris)
<http://safecomputing.umich.edu/services/lyrisretire.html>for details.
I am planning to convert LDAPto an MCommunity group shortly.
MCommunity groups are simple mail groups and do not have all of the
same features offered by listserv lists, so there will be some loss in
functionality, such as digest mail. The LDAP list does not seem to be
very active so I'm thinking the feature difference will not have a
great impact on the members.
If it does have a great impact, I'm open to moving the list to an

case.

Post by Rolf E. Sonneveld

Post by Luke Tracy
The LDAP listserv is an open list and anyone may subscribe and
unsubscribe. I am therefore planning to make the MCommunity group
joinable, however, only members with a University of Michigan login
will be able to join or resign on their own. All others will need to
request to join or resign.
I will send email to LDAP once I have convert the list to a group.

First of all, thanks to UMich for having hosted the list for so many

years!
Yes!

Post by Rolf E. Sonneveld
Second: I can only speak for myself, but the last couple of years the
number of fora I have to visit to get my information from is growing
rapidly and in all honesty, I lost track of most of them by now. The
nice thing of mailing lists is that you get your mail in your mailbox
where you can sort it out: one place to monitor, one place to
participate. Fora like LinkedIn groups, Google groups, MCommunity etc.
are as many places which I have to visit on a regular basis to see
what's goin on.

You are not alone. Sometimes I toy with the idea of building a gadget
with a zillion channel-specific plugins which would harvest all of
that stuff I have to track and email it to me.
So, since I never heard of MCommunity and have no idea what it is, I
have to ask: does this mean there won't be any more emails? Will I
have to go join it, or will the LISTSERV member list be copied over?
--
Machines should not be friendly. Machines should be obedient.

[K***@public.gmane.org]

... cool - getting out of office messages from the list members now !!!
... and so the full address and contact information as well ....

Great job you do at the University of Michigan!



... so have a good time to those on vacation!





__________________

Hi,

please delete my email address from this group immediately !!!

It was never ment to be viewable for everyone. The spam sent to my address
within the last days increased incredibly.

Also to turn on the Google synchronization - bullshit.

Kind regards
Karsten Friedrich






From: "Bill Cole" <umldap-20081204-1dKtH89sGdd27FSWXANw/***@public.gmane.org>
To: ldap <ldap-63aXycvo3TyHXe+***@public.gmane.org>,
Cc: ltracy-63aXycvo3TyHXe+***@public.gmane.org, jmfeaton-63aXycvo3TyHXe+***@public.gmane.org
Date: 21.06.2013 06:16
Subject: [ldap] Re: LDAP to change from listserv to University of
Michigan MCommunity group

Post by Luke Tracy
The listserv has now been converted to an MCommunity Group.

And was echoing every legitimate message for a day. Cute. Not very
competent, but cute.

Post by Luke Tracy
You can view
https://mcommunity.umich.edu/#group:ldap

Definitely not ready for production use. It has link syntax errors that
would have been caught in the most trivial sort of testing, making it
clear that was none. Also serve out an uncacheable 7.5 MB file that
blocks rendering until it completes and consists of an atrocious mess of
GWT-based JavaScript. That's simply user-hostile for anyone not on the
UMich network, as it means a long wait (about a minute, at T-1 speed)
with nothing renderable. Whoever created that system would do more good
flipping burgers than designing webapps and writing code.

Beyond that, the site is displaying the full member list to anyone
wandering by, all in unobfuscated mailto links, perfect for harvesters.
You've apparently also opened submissions to the list to any sender,
with a convenient mailto on the public web page. The inevitable result:
the address I use for this list got its first spam in over 4 years, just
12 hours after you made the switch. It had 15 more tossed at it in 48
hours, all coming from UMich machines with ldap-errors-63aXycvo3TyHXe+***@public.gmane.org as the
Return-Path. In short: you've made this a spam list.

Post by Luke Tracy

Post by Luke Tracy
The LDAP listserv is an open list and anyone may subscribe and
unsubscribe. I am therefore planning to make the MCommunity group
joinable,
however, only members with a University of Michigan login will be
able to
join or resign on their own. All others will need to request to join
or
resign.

I have an easier method, thanks to having signed up with an address
designed to be killed unilaterally. Never thought I'd have to use it
because of bumbling incompetence at UMich, but glad to be able to stop
some spam without counting on the people whose carelessness made it
happen.





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